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The Hoop of the Future?

In talking to an engineer friend recently, we started discussing potential hoop design improvements. I think this could be a revolutionary design, though who knows if the tooling costs could ever be recouped.

Plastic:
According to my engineer friend, polypropylene is sort of a junk plastic and polyethylene is essentially wax. He mentioned that Polypropylene has tendency to crack and shatter, which I’ve seen to some extent in PSI hoops and hoops made of polypropylene. Polyethylene tends to kink as one would expect wax to. You’ve probably heard stories or seen regular hoops kink if you haven’t kinked one yet yourself.

Polycarbonate is a much stronger plastic with a greater range of elastic deformation, meaning it’ll return to it’s original shape when pushed too far. Polycarbonate also has a greater strength to weight ratio. I know Patrick from PSI hoops has been playing with Polycarbonate hoops but the one I tried felt uncomfortably stiff to me. I’m fairly confident it was 1/16″ wall polycarbonate tube. That said, it was amazingly light and the damn thing felt nearly indestructible. After speaking to my engineer about this, he recommended just finding a thinner walled polycarb tube. My internet searches have thus far not turned up polycarb tubing thinner than 1/16″.

We also discussed many other plastic options such as Delrin, Nylon and more but he seemed to think polycarb would be the way to go for lightweight, durable and affordable new hoop design.

I’m thinking the ideal design may be 1/32″ polycarbonate custom extrusion.

Profile:
That lead me to start researching custom extrusions. Well, if you move to a custom extrusion, there’s no necessity of staying round, so may as well design the profile for the characteristics we’d like in a hoop.

When we think about the forces that we apply to a hoop, the strongest forces generated come from rapid reverses and similar acceleration. If we were to think of the hoop as a plane, rarely do we apply strong forces that would fold the plane in half. This can be seen by the fact that all kinks that happen during hooping happen along the same access. Kinks pretty much all look the same.

This means that we’re wasting plastic and thus weight on one axis that could be applied to another. You can see in my design below, the profile is longer in one direction than the other. This would reinforce the weaker of the two axis.

Having a flat design serves would allow for greater wind resistance and would help the hoop fly flat, almost like a frisbee. I couldn’t guarantee it but that could potentially facilitate cleaner planes.

And lastly, this profile would give greater grip to the hoop. Imagine trying to perform a dynamic stall with this profile. The death grip needed on a regular hoop wouldn’t necessary.

So who’s ready to build me one?


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  • http://hoopfurthur.tumblr.com kristen

    I’m all for this. I wonder who could do the proto, especially since it is such a unique form-design….I’ll keep this in the back of mind, in case I ever run across anyone who could help you out with building one.

  • Sue

    Wow! I just don’t have the strength in my fingers to create the “death grip” you mention so can’t do that sort of move.

  • Jessica Wagstrom

    Whoa. I’ve never even considered the idea of a hoop in a different shape. I would be really interested to try out this design. The hoop would essentially rest in the crook of your fingers, right? I can’t decide if it would bother me or be really cool.

    I hope you get to explore this more!

  • Jessica Wagstrom

    Also, I can’t help but think that there might be more potential for the hoop to flip up during a break or reversal due to the flatter design…it might be tougher to do on this because the contact surface edge your arm would hit is so small. Thoughts?

  • HoopVandals

    Really sweet idea. I will have to ask around my engineering school if anyone can produce this type of thing.

    On the topic of innovative ideas for the hoops of the future.
    Have you ever seen flexible LCD screens? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbTO5VM6s-4
    How sweet would a hoop be if instead of LED’s, you could stretch a LCD screen around it or just make the hoop out of it somehow. Super flexible, robust and totally light. You could constantly change your hoop display. The technology is not there yet, still too expensive and in its patenting stages. But when this technology does become a feasible options, man it will be a sweet day for hoopers.

  • Matthias

    I’ve had some similar ideas. It’s a problem to be sure. I’ve also been trying to see if carbon fiber could be blow molded much like a boats hull. It’d be no good for glow (unless you went with fiber glass) but it could be fun light and strong. Aviso would probably be the fellahs for that job. surfboards and aircraft components. they like weird shapes.
    I’ve also been trying to figure out how to plastic weld neatly as you start feeling those connectors.
    cheers,
    M

  • http://www.hoopsydaisy.com HoopsyDaisy

    Rich, I wonder if you have seen DuraHoops before. I have never used them, but they are of similar design to what you refer to here. The total hoop diameter on these is pretty small, but maybe it could give you an idea as to what your design would perform like. I am using their 40″ Premium Rainbow Supersize No Kink hoops right now because I was starting to get such odd shaped results out of the 160psi PE irrigation tubing. Thanks for all your awesome work in the hoop community. It is much appreciated.

    http://www.gophersport.com/products/item_detail.cfm?item_id=804&N=0&Ntt=hoops

  • Deniper

    I’ve been contemplating this and given the cost of extrusion dies, would counter propose that prior to having such a thing machined we should look at ways to test the aerodynamics of the design and perhaps get closer to perfect first.

    one way to test *thou it would produce a relatively heavy hoop* would be in resin casting.

    so to that end there are high strength light weight resins that could be used for a reasonable simulation of the profile hoop you have devised cost of mould would be about 100$ resin to pour for each would prolly run about 40$ or so (i have not done any calculations to that effect mearly a educated guess) the mould should last for about 10-20 castings if well made.

    the test object has to be hoopable as a simple wind tunnel test cannot simulate the combined effect of the hoops movement thou the air *Basically the air flow is at dozens of angles in relation to the hoop at any given moment.* thou in theory the point of greatest lift would be the outside rim of the hoops movement. which is good*

    just some thoughts.

  • CRESSIE MAE

    I am currently experimenting with hoop designs, please contact me @ cressiemaehoops@gmail.com I am very intrigued by this!